‘Let the people decide’: Scottish Parliament votes for fresh referendum on Scottish independence #ScotRef

Pressure on Theresa May after Scottish Parliament backs fresh referendum 

“LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE,” was the verdict of the Scottish Parliament as it backed the right to hold a fresh referendum on Scottish independence. 

The Scottish National Party and the Scottish Greens, based on the growing threat from a Tory Hard Brexit, said it was right that the public have a final say on the country’s future. 

The Scottish Parliament voted by 69 votes to 59 to “give the people of Scotland a choice over the future direction and governance of their country at a time, and with a question and franchise, determined by the Scottish Parliament”. That referendum would take place between the Autumn of 2018 and Spring 2019, on the basis that “there is clarity over the outcome of the Brexit negotiations”.

The result intensifies the challenge to Tory leader Theresa May the day before she is due to trigger Article 50 on exiting the European Union. May has so far claimed that “now is not the time” for a fresh vote on independence, while the Scottish Government is now calling for future talks to agree a future timetable for a referendum. 

Tory ministers have opted to seek a ‘Hard Brexit’ – including an exit from the Single Market, which experts warn is a threat to the Scottish economy. Agriculture, exporting businesses, education research bases, and EU citizens in Scotland, as well as Scottish citizens in Europe all face restrictions on their rights to work, live and trade as a result of Brexit talks. 

Comments

MauriceBishop

Tue, 03/28/2017 - 20:04

We did decide: in 2014. Here are three links to Nicola Sturgeon telling us back then that we went to the polls to decide the matter for a generation.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/24/nicola-sturgeon-scotland...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWfomb99QKw
http://scotspolitics.com/interviews/nicola-sturgeon

Why have a second referendum in 18 months when it is guaranteed that the losing side will not respect the outcome?

Alasdair Macdonald

Tue, 03/28/2017 - 22:05

Indeed they did, MauriceBishop, but, circumstances have changed significantly since 2014. In 2015, 56 SNP candidates were elected as MPs. That is 56 out of a possible 59. In 2016, Although losing its overall majority, the SNP share of the constituency vote was the highest of any party since devolution and, with the support of the pro-independence Green Party has a 69 - 59 majority for independence in the Scottish Parliament. In the EU referendum, Scotland voted by 62% to 38% to REMAIN, and there was a majority for REMAIN in every constituency.
The EU referendum result was 52-48 for LEAVE. A majority, indeed, although not a large one. However, Mrs May's Government has acted as if it had a huge majority entitling it to do what it wished, without consulting parliament and had to be called to account by a private citizen taking it to court. By all accounts it appears that, having got the consent of Parliament to trigger article 50, it intends to rule by decree. This is scandalously undemocratic.
In a democracy we always have the right to change our minds, which is why we have regular elections.

MauriceBishop

Tue, 03/28/2017 - 22:34

I see we need two more quotes from Nicola Sturgeon.

In 2015 before the Westminster elections she said "A vote for the SNP is not a vote for another referendum. It is a vote to have Scotland’s voice heard at Westminster.” So much for your 2nd and 3rd sentences.

In 2014 in addition to the repeated assurances she made about that vote settling the matter for a generation she also said "It is no longer fanciful to consider as real the possibility that the UK is heading out of the EU." So it is no good pretending "we didn't know that Brexit was a possibility!!".

The SNP are a minority government propped up by 6 regional list greens who did not have a 2nd referendum in their manifesto. In fact, they actually betrayed their 2016 manifesto by supporting Sturgeon without the mass demonstration of support that their manifesto calls for.

We have regular elections because they are necessary to hold our elected representatives accountable. From time to time extraordinary question are put to the public. Once in a generation, as the nice lady used to say.

There is no point in having a second referendum - the losing side is obviously not going to respect the outcome.

DaveS

Wed, 03/29/2017 - 09:28

This is tedious. The SNP manifesto was entirely clear that there would be a call for another independence referendum if there was a material change in circumstances such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against the will of the Scottish people. This is precicely what is now happening, so why is yesterday's vote in any way surprising? You appear to have a problem with democracy.

MauriceBishop

Wed, 03/29/2017 - 13:59

The problem I have is that it is not "democracy" to say that something that appeared in one version of a manifesto gives the SNP the ability to unilaterally change the understanding with which we voted in 2014. Especially given that the 2106 election saw them reduced to to a minority government.

What is the purpose of re-running the referendum when it is obvious that the losing side will never accept the outcome?

Justme

Thu, 03/30/2017 - 16:10

The SNP have a majority share of the popular vote in Scotland. They have a minority of seats because of the AM Electoral System. Nicola Sturgeon has the mandate to hold a second Independence Referendum, where is Theresa May's mandate to able to say, "Now Is not The Time?" The Tories need to call a General Election to give TM the mandate to exercise Executive Power, but of course, they won't do that. TM is scared to call a GM because she knows that if the 48% that voted to Remain allied with the people who voted to Leave and have since changed their minds, it is likely that it would be the Brexit Referendum Mark2 and the Tories could lose, big time. Will they take that chance, I don't think so. So, where is TM going to get the mandate she needs to stop #ScotRef?

ragn2r0k

Mon, 07/24/2017 - 06:14

This is suppose to be how it works. Always let the people decide. This is a very delicate situation.
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