Bon voyage Britain, bonjour Auld Alliance? Why Scottish independence and Brexit pose big questions for the French

Journalist Ornella Toumi, who is completing work experience at CommonSpace as part of her studies at Stirling University, explores attitudes in France towards a post-Brexit independent Scotland

WHY do the French like Scots? "Easy, because we do not like the English, they are quite treacherous," jokes Julie Pacchioni, a French student at the University of Stirling, in a nod to history. 

The Scots and the French are an old story and the founding pact is the famous Auld Alliance. In Paris in 1295, John Baliol, King of Scotland, and Philip IV of France, signed a treaty of alliance to unite forces against the English. The pact promised that if one of the states was attacked by the English, the other state would invade England. 

History remembers that Scottish archers helped Joan of Arc to raise the siege of Orleans. The Franco-Scottish relationship also led to formation of the Garde Écossaise, the fiercely loyal Scottish military unit founded in 1422 by Charles VII, to be personal bodyguards of the French monarchy. The alliance between Scotland and France is one of the oldest and longest in history, and ended only with the unification of England and Scotland.

“England has been an obstacle for too long in the decision-making process of the EU.” Jean-Marc Caparon

It is therefore no surprise that even in France, debate surrounding the question of whether Scotland should become an independent country divides people.

Among French people who back Scottish independence, some see it as a good solution for Scotland to the Brexit problem.

Jean-Marc Caparon, a former journalist for a french local newspaper, sees Brexit as an "opportunity" for the European Union and for Scotland: "England has been an obstacle for too long in the decision-making process of the EU," he argues.

"If Scotland remains in the EU as an independent state, it could really fit in with the European project."

There is broad support for this idea in France. Two years ago, a poll commissioned by YouGov Euro Track showed that 61 per cent of people in France were in favour of an independent Scotland staying in the European Union.

“If Scotland remains in the EU as an independent state, it could really fit in with the European project.” Jean-Marc Caparon

Scotland voted to remain in the European Union in 2016 by 62 per cent to 38 per cent, compared to the UK-wide result of 52-48 per cent in favour of leaving. The result reignited the question of Scottish independence despite indyref having taken place less than two years before the EU referendum. 

The SNP's Scottish election manifesto in 2016 reserved an option to call a second referendum if there was a "material change in circumstances" in the UK, such as a vote to leave the EU. Although the SNP narrowly missed out on retaining its majority government at the election, the pro-independence Scottish Green Party provided the additional votes needed in 2017 to set the wheels formally in motion for a second vote.

However, UK Prime Minister Theresa May, Scotland Secretary David Mundell and Scottish Conservatives leader Ruth Davidson stood firm in opposition to First Minister Nicola Sturgeon's efforts, leaving Scotland teetering on the brink of a democratic crisis.

When May called a surprise snap General Election a short time later as she tried to take control of the Brexit splits within her own party, the SNP dropped a number of Westminster seats and took an immediate step back from its indyref 2 plans.

While Sturgeon insists that Scotland must be given an opportunity to decide its own future direction at around the time of the completion of the Brexit process, it's unclear how likely is to happen before the next Scottish election in 2021 - if it happens at all.

“A lot of students leave France to live and study in Scotland every year and being a part of the EU makes this possible. Can you imagine the loss for Scottish people culturally and economically?” Isabelle Bianci

For Isabelle Bianci, professor at the faculty of economics in Marseille, if Scotland leaves the European Union with the UK it will be a cultural and economic loss for Scotland.

"A lot of students leave France to live and study in Scotland every year and being a part of the EU makes this possible," she says. "Can you imagine the loss for Scottish people culturally and economically? Whether Scotland should become independent depends on other factors of course, but this should definitely be taken into consideration."

Jean-Luc Mélenchon, a far-left French MP who ran for president in 2017 as the candidate of La France Insoumise, has also previously expressed support for Scottish independence, saying in 2012: "Of course, I would vote for Scottish independence because I’m too keen on history not to know that Scotland is the traditional ally of the French ever since the Ancien Régime."

However, not all in France are nostalgic about the Auld Alliance, and the risks of a unilateral declaration of independence in Scotland could scare French people.

Quoted in The Telegraph newspaper in 2014, Philippe Moreau-Defarges, an expert on self-determination at the French Institute of International Relations, pointed out that the modern day link between France and England is much stronger: "An independent Scotland would be a strong shock. Yes, France and Scottish relations go back to medieval times, but the first employer of the French today is London," he said.

Scottish independence could pose other problems for France. Corsican, Basque and Breton nationalists supported Scotland's independence referendum in 2014 and began urging the French government to let them hold similar votes on independence.

However, not all in France are nostalgic about the Auld Alliance, and the risks of a unilateral declaration of independence in Scotland could scare French people.

At the beginning of this month Corsican nationalists organised a demonstration in Ajaccio. While some on the French island want more autonomy, others want full independence. Like Scotland, Corsica has control over some of its own choices, but Corsican nationalists demand more. 

Corsican nationalism is a political, cultural and social movement which sees Corsica as a nation, and lobbies for autonomy and independence from France. During the 2017 parliamentary elections, three separatists were elected to the National Assembly for the first time.

French President Emmanuel Macron is the guarantor of the integrity of the French territory, but he is not the only one. According to a French poll from L’Opinion en Direct this month, the majority of the French population (74 per cent) strongly oppose the idea of ​​independence for Corsica.

Most people in France are also against the independence of Catalonia from Spain. Although French people were extremely shocked by the violent reaction of the Spanish police force to those voting in the Catalan referendum last year, a recent survey published by Odoxa revealed that more than 60 per cent of the French think the independence of Catalonia would be wrong for Spain and Europe, and 54 per cent think it would be wrong for France.

In the current delicate climate, President Macron and the French government have been careful to avoid expressing an opinion about a second independence referendum in Scotland.

Corsican, Basque and Breton nationalists supported Scotland's independence referendum in 2014 and began urging the French government to let them hold similar votes on independence.

More than 700 years ago, France and Scotland had a common cause and shaped a union to limit the power of England. In the course of time, the affection remained but the causes were not the same, as France became allied with the dream of a strong United Kingdom, fully engaged in the European project.

Nethertheless, in the context of Brexit it is possible that the flame of the Auld Alliance could be revived. France may be left to decide whether it prioritises a relationship with the economic powers in England, or whether Scotland's commitment to the European project is ideologically more valuable and significant.

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Comments

John Stuart Wilson

Thu, 02/08/2018 - 16:11

"Scottish independence could pose other problems for France. Corsican, Basque and Breton nationalists supported Scotland's independence referendum in 2014 and began urging the French government to let them hold similar votes on independence."

And that is why Brussels has never wavered from the position that after independence Scotland would have to apply to join the EU via the normal process...which takes years.

Bill Melvin

Thu, 02/08/2018 - 19:15

Scotland is already in the EU and our laws compliant with EU legislation while we are all EU citizens. Independence could still happen while we are already members. It is unfathomable why people such as John Stuart Wilson believe Scotland"s Independence is such a threat to the make up of other free, democratic "independent" countries. In addition, the hypocrisy of those making a case for Brexit by arguing for sovereignty, independence and release from control of a bigger union includes many who dismissed Scotland right to the same from the UK. Recent developments have highlighted even more the clear differences in Scotland to England and as a partner in the Union there is no case that can be made for a London serving Government to pull the Scots away from our European partners against the wishes of the majority of Scots.

John Stuart Wilson

Thu, 02/08/2018 - 21:13

"Scotland is already in the EU"
By virtue of being part of the UK. Brussels has made it abundantly clear that after independence Scotland would have to go through the normal application process, which takes years.

"our laws compliant with EU legislation"
After independence Scotland will fail to meet numerous key criteria, such as a budget deficit suitable for the Germans.

"It is unfathomable why people such as John Stuart Wilson believe Scotland"s Independence is such a threat to the make up of other free, democratic "independent" countries."
It is easy to fathom if you read the original article, or at the very least the part that I quoted in my comment.

DaveS

Fri, 02/09/2018 - 08:52

Well, consider yesterday's news that UK citizens in The Netherlands have succeeded in persuading a court to put up to the ECJ the case that EU citizenship, having been obtained through UK membership of the EU, should not be forcibly removed by virtue of the UK leaving the EU. If this case succeeds, as it may well do since there is no mechanism for stripping EU citizens of their citizenship, then Scots will remain EU citizens after Brexit, and admission to the EU of a fully compliant independent Scotland should be particularly easy.

John

Fri, 02/09/2018 - 10:22

Recently Guy Verhofstadt, EU parliament chief negotiator, went on record at a press conference - there's a video - saying that Scotland was and (once independent) could stay part of the EU, and specifically there was "no queue" - a specific question that a journalist asked him.

John

Fri, 02/09/2018 - 10:26

** Duplicate that I want to delete **

John Stuart Wilson

Fri, 02/09/2018 - 12:53

"If this case succeeds,"
How could it? The EU makes it very clear that EU citizenship is predicated upon national citizenship.

"then Scots will remain EU citizens after Brexit, and admission to the EU of a fully compliant independent Scotland should be particularly easy."
How many more times must it be said? Brussels has made it clear that independent Scotland would have to go through the normal application process. For the most recent joiners, that took a decade or more, and that AFTER they they had a central bank, their own currency, and budgets with deficits of less than 3%.

John Stuart Wilson

Fri, 02/09/2018 - 12:57

@John
I'm not saying there is a queue. I'm saying there is a process, and that independent Scotland would have to go through it. For the most recent joiners, that took a decade or more, and that was AFTER they they had a central bank, their own currency, and budgets with deficits of less than 3%.

As the original article makes clear, there are countries in the EU that don't want any encouragement given to separatist movements within their borders. They aren't going permit special treatment for independent Scotland. They will insist on strict adherence to the normal process. And, after Greece, so will Germany...not because of separatism concerns, but because of desire for fiscal rectitude.

OliviaBenson

Fri, 02/16/2018 - 20:52

Should Scotland become independent before the UK fully departs - then of course the EU will make arrangements for Scotland to remain.

Once outside then it will have to have to either take steps to directly 'rejoin' the EU or consider if EFTA/EEA membership would suit best.

It's hardly rocket science.

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